Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
You could tell by that video I have an amazing very interesting guest today. Her name is Carol Pilkington. She is a transformational spiritual teacher, counselor, and astrologer. She specializes in astrological counseling. I say that she specializes in anxiety, grief and loss, relationships, and transition. She has over 30 years of combined training in spirituality, astrological counseling, personal development, and deep transformational work. She’s going to transform all of us this evening. She specializes in working with functioning high-achieving people in their late 20s to mid-40s. Ah, she’s gonna have to do something good like go up, up, like 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 maybe. Okay, and they’re living in a state of anxiety, stress, and it could be grief or loss, and she shows them how to move through and beyond that so they can live their own lives with more energy and joy. She is amazing. I want to be like her when I grow up. Twice an Amazon best-selling author and an international best-selling author. She’s also an ordained non-denominational minister. She’s spoken on numerous podcasts and I’m so happy that she is my guest today. She’s been on radio shows, she’s appeared on multiple stages, and as I said, she’s an international best-selling author. She’s a New York Times International best-selling author and founder of Itty Bitty Publishing who has appeared on Oprah Winfrey. I have to bring Carol on because I just can’t leave any longer myself. Hi Carol, how are you?
Carol Pilkington
I am great, how are you?
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
I’m doing fine. I have to make a quick correction.
Carol Pilkington
Okay.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
I was on Susie Pruden’s radio show who has been on Oprah and who is a New York Times best-selling author.
Carol Pilkington
Well, you know what, I’m speaking it into existence.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, well I’m very happy that you’re here this evening and that you consider to bless me with you being a guest on my show. You know what, you do so much. I mean, good grief, I started reading your biography and I thought, you know what, it would take me a half an hour to read everything that you do. You are amazing. But I want to start right now with some questions that I have and then the audience, you can chime in. You know how you are, you can chime in. So in all what you do, what made you become interested in your work?
Carol Pilkington
That’s a great question. Specifically, I was asking questions that couldn’t be answered through traditional means like therapy or counseling or anything like that. Questions like, who am I, how did I get here, where am I from, those existential questions that speak to the nature of our existence. I had an experience when I was a child of, I would think I would say that you can call it a spiritual download, that I was love. From that moment, I wanted to know what that meant, but I didn’t have anyone to talk to. I couldn’t find anybody that I could imagine could even relate to the experience that I had, and so I just kept it to myself. With that, I had to go through the trials and tribulations of life just like everybody else. But then when I was so in a state of despair of wanting to know what this really meant, I kind of took on the woes and sorrows of the world and it weighed me down and it was very painful. I know that there are a lot of empaths out there that can actually relate to what I’m saying. There was a teacher that I met that said that I had a sweet sorrow about me and that intrigued me even more. So that set me on a deeper path of understanding my own true nature and what all that meant so that I can be lifted out of that sorrow so that I wasn’t carrying the world on my shoulders, so that I could actually be of service in the world from who I really am, which is that love. So it was really a journey of discovery and recovery of that initial experience that I had of being love. How do I be that in the world without all the sorrow piled up on top of it? Because love is not sorrowful, love is not fear, love is not hate. Often people equate love and hate as two opposites. Well, that’s kind of an abstract of it, but really the opposite of love is fear, fear of being who we actually are. So that’s how I got started doing the work that I do.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
You know, I never thought of it that way, that fear is the opposite of love. That’s very interesting. So when she said you had a sweet sorrow about you, I’ve never heard of that term, you know, using the word sweet and the word sorrow together. So was it when you said you had this divine download that you were loved, so it was just a feeling that you had? Were you awake, were you asleep?
Carol Pilkington
I was awake and it was a direct experience of being that. Like I knew it, it completely filled my whole beingness and there was joy in it. There was no sorrow, there was just pure joy.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, alrighty. So from that, what did you decide to do to research that feeling or research how you could become that person, that love?
Carol Pilkington
So I’ll say love, you know, it’s not a mental thing. So I knew I couldn’t do research like people do research and reading about it. I had to go through a process where I actually tapped into that direct experience again to rediscover that true nature of who I am so that I could actually be and live from that place in the world on every level. And love, I also equate with compassion.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Yeah, I think that to me they are synonymous.
Carol Pilkington
Definitely, definitely.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
So I know you’ve had training, I guess, in astrological counseling and spiritual counseling. So why did you go that route, especially astrology?
Carol Pilkington
Yeah, it was complementary to my path of rediscovering who I actually am because it came from a different language, if you will, of connecting me to that which is unseen. So “as above, so below” is a term that a lot of modalities and systems use.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, oh, you froze. Wow, okay, so I cannot, you froze. Here we go.
Carol Pilkington
I’m back.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay.
Carol Pilkington
It looked like it was reloading.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Oh, okay.
Carol Pilkington
So what I mean by “as above, so below,” whatever is happening in the heavens is happening below. There’s a direct correspondence, a direct correlation and reflection, if you will. So oftentimes people think that, you know, they have a trepidation about astrology in the way that they think that the planets are doing something to us. Well, it’s not really that. It’s just a correlation, a correspondence, and a reflection of what is happening in the physical realm. And if we are, my experience is that I am the world and the world is me.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay.
Carol Pilkington
So, and it goes for this and also goes to spirit. If I am spirit and spirit is in me, we are one, right? So again, to relate that to the planets, we are a product of what the planets are reflecting and vice versa and what we are reflecting to the universe.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, so I read something about transpersonal astrology. Is this what you’re talking about?
Carol Pilkington
Yes, exactly. It’s really about helping one understand their own true nature through the language of astrology. Now, that doesn’t mean that when I do a consultation with somebody, I’m just spouting off jargon of astrology. It’s really about a conversation that I have with the person as their chart presents itself. The chart is a map, a blueprint, if you will, of the lessons that person comes in to learn in terms of a blueprint, a map of possibilities and probabilities of how a person could learn more about who they are and how to be in the world and how to evolve.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, so does your astrological sign affect the way that you deal with, I know you counsel people about grief and loss and anxiety. Does your astrological sign affect the way that you deal with any of those?
Carol Pilkington
Well, just like anything else, it’s not just about the sun sign. It’s about all the other things in the chart that are relating to one another. And so how we are living our lives can be presented in the chart. And in relation to that, when I look at someone’s chart and they tell me what’s going on in their lives, I can guide them, if you will, and help them discover answers about themselves on how to live better in the world and how to perceive themselves better and how to relate better to others according to what is being presented to me both in conversation and through the chart and the different cycles of life that they’re going through.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Very, very interesting. Very, very, very interesting. Because most of the time when people think about astrology, they do think about their sun sign. And then, well, that’s so mine is Sagittarian. And so now that’s my sun sign. So they tell me something about Jupiter, that’s the planet, right? So the planet Jupiter and my astrological sun sign coexist. And then once, let’s say you did a chart, then you could help me. So I have to verbalize this myself so I can understand it. So that would help me to deal with whatever, let’s say, issues I have if I have a hard time getting over grief or loss or suffering anxiety and all that. So all of that, so you use astrology there. So now you also use spirituality. So how do those…
Carol Pilkington
Everything is connected. It’s all holistic. So you talked about your sun sign being in Sagittarius. And yes, it is because the reason why Jupiter and your sun are connected is because Jupiter rules Sagittarius. And Sagittarius, Jupiter is about expansion and higher mind and higher principles and concepts. So with grief and anxiety, it’s about understanding what the nature of those things are and what we can learn from it. So that’s where some of the correlation can be found.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Oh, okay. Okay. So does it matter with your sun sign and your planets, you go deep into the chart, like what time you were born and all of that influences?
Carol Pilkington
Let me say that the time in which you’re born and the place where you were born is what sets up the snapshot, if you will, of when you were born, really. So that is the starting point. It’s not who you are. It’s not who you, it’s not set in stone. It just sets up the roadmap or the blueprint, if you will, for the lessons you’re here to learn in this lifetime.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay. All right. Because a lot of times people say, oh, you were this, you’re a Sagittarian, you’re a Cancer, you’re this, and this is who you are, right?
Carol Pilkington
Yeah, right. These are archetypes, you know?
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Yeah.
Carol Pilkington
And archetype is a universal principle of a particular thing. So mythology comes into it as well. So I’m a Virgo and the archetypal nature of Virgo, some people could say that they’re picky, they’re critical, they’re organized, and all these other attributes, if you will. And Sagittarius has the same thing. All the signs have archetypal commonalities of the archetype, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re bound to that. And it’s really important to take a deeper dive into the nature of what that’s all about. What is the criticalness about? Some Sagittarians are very righteous, if you will. They like to preach. And the sun sign is not always the most important part of the chart. You have the moon. The moon is really our emotional makeup, our instinctual nature. And we operate more from the moon than the sun sometimes. The sun is very hidden, but it’s the sun that is where our vitality is and what makes us come alive. And we want to move more into the sun than operate from the emotionality, if you will, of the moon.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, this is all very deep.
Carol Pilkington
I know, I know. It’s like I’m giving an astrology lesson here.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
But you’re giving us all a better understanding. You know what I mean? Because people mostly go by sun sign. Oh, you’re this. Oh, well, you know, cancers and Geminis, no, they can’t be together, you know, because I’m just, you know, I don’t know that, but I’m just, you know, using that as an example. And they look at the positive aspects and then the negative aspects and, oh, no, they, you know, so, but you’re giving us actually a deeper dive into it, you know, because a lot of people, it’s just like people who every day they read, you know, okay, they read their sign. Okay, so what’s supposed to happen to me today? You know what I mean? And a lot of people, they look at that astrology as not a science, you know, or not anything spiritual, you know, it’s, they look at it in a negative manner.
Carol Pilkington
Right, horoscopes are a predictive tool.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Yeah.
Carol Pilkington
Than a tool for learning, growing, and evolving.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
And definitely not connecting spirituality and astrology.
Carol Pilkington
Right.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
You know, because, well, a lot of people, including me, when I look at spirituality, I look at God. And to me, that’s like totally opposite of astrology, you know? So that’s why I asked that question, how, you know, how does all of that go together? Now, I know you said it’s all spiritual.
Carol Pilkington
Yes.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Yeah.
Carol Pilkington
It’s a holistic way of looking at and perceiving one’s nature and life and the world. I mean, spirituality is our fundamental nature of being in this human form. And astrology can help us understand and complement one’s journey in this life. I know it did for me because it gave me a certain perspective of not feeling alone and that I had a deeper connection and purpose to just physically being here. It helped me explain that I’m not here just to go through the mechanics of life, that I’m here for a purpose, that I matter simply because I exist.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, alrighty.
Carol Pilkington
And it gave me a sense of belonging.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, so now another question, astrology, spirituality, Christianity, how does all of that mesh?
Carol Pilkington
Well, I’m going to tell you a secret in case you don’t know that the Vatican has the largest library of astrology than any place in the whole wide world.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Really?
Carol Pilkington
Really. And the separation happened in the 1700s where the church wanted to have domain over the soul and science over the heavens, if you will, the stars, planets. That’s when the separation happened. But before then, Christianity and astrology were intrinsically connected.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Really?
Carol Pilkington
That’s how it got separated and kind of pooh-poohed in the religious realm. But there are some Christian astrologers out there that have come to understand the value of recognizing astrology as a tool for transformation.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, very, very, very, very interesting. Very, very interesting because most people think, you know, Christianity, astrology, they, you know, one is way over here and the other one is way over there and never the twain shall meet.
Carol Pilkington
Right.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
You know, which I, yeah, very interesting, very interesting.
Carol Pilkington
And that’s because in those days, astrology was used as a predictive tool. And today, more and more in the 20th century, it’s been used as a tool for self-awareness, raising one’s understanding and consciousness of who they are and being in the world. So what happened before the 1700s, it was used mostly by royalty. When it happened to the king, it happened to its subjects. And the common folk were never, did not use astrology. And that only came to be later on in the towards the 19th to 20th century.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, alrighty. So we have a question that came in. Jacqueline Rogers, what are clients looking for when they come to see you?
Carol Pilkington
Oh, very good question. Some people are having trouble in their relationships. They might be having a recognition that patterns of being and behaving are repetitive and they want to stop the cycle and find out more about why it keeps happening. So it could be, again, most of the time it’s due to relationships. They’re getting a divorce, they’re having relationship problems, they’re wondering why they’re not able to communicate well with people that they’re involved with. So it has to do with communication. It mostly always has to do with some kind of relational thing.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
So in your, with your counseling, have you ever come across people who, especially in relationships, who with your counseling, you see that it’s not going to work? In other words, according to your astrological part of the counseling, your spirituality part of the counseling, that when they, I guess, find out who they are, that that relationship just is not going to work. It doesn’t, it’s not working because of who they are, so to speak.
Carol Pilkington
You mean the relationship with others?
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As they have a deeper understanding of their own nature, you know, sometimes people forge and push ahead and stay in a relationship no matter what. But when they begin to take a stand and declare their own being, then they can make better decisions about whether to leave a relationship or take a different approach to the relationship to be able to work in concert with the relationship. It could make the relationship better when people understand themselves better or they can understand another better. And from that place, they can either stay in the relationship and make it better. Of course, it takes two to tango, right?
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Yeah.
Carol Pilkington
But sometimes just having a better understanding and a better way of approaching situations can be very helpful. And sometimes it can help a person decide that maybe this isn’t the right relationship for me. Maybe I do need to leave. Maybe we do need to part. But it can help them make those kinds of decisions. It’s not an either or. It’s just a better understanding of what they’re experiencing and what they’re involved in.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay. And another question came in. Gwendolyn Dunbar, she asked, what is the difference between psychics and your counseling?
Carol Pilkington
Very good question. So as I was saying before, my approach to astrology is to help a person have a deeper understanding of their own nature and therefore have a deeper understanding of the people in their lives and the world around them. A psychic comes more from a place of seeing the future and predicting what could have or will probably happen. Good psychics, ethical psychics, let me put it that way, ethical psychics won’t make concrete predictions. They are ethical enough to give guidance of what they see, but they hopefully are clear in not giving absolute predictions. But they make predictions generally speaking. I don’t make predictions. I will not tell you this is going to happen to you or that’s going to happen to you. Astrology for me is a tool for helping people arrive at their own discoveries and their own answers for their own life.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay. Alrighty. So Carol, I’ve got to take a quick break and we’re going to come back because I knew a bunch of questions were going to come in. So not only am I getting them through Facebook and StreamYard, I’m also getting them through some texts. And so we’ll be right back with Carol Pilkington. Don’t go away. This is very, very, very interesting, very enlightening. See you in a minute.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Carol Pilkington, let me bring her back on. Alrighty, alrighty. So here’s, let’s see, another question came in during, oh, oh no, oh, Gwendolyn Dunbar just said thanks, okay, for your answers. So this is what came in from the text. What does astrology indicate what the future of this world is concerned? Yeah, I don’t know.
Carol Pilkington
Well, there are, you know, the outer planets like Pluto, Neptune, and Uranus, they’re generational planets. And right now, Pluto was in Capricorn, which is about structures, breaking down structures. Pluto is about the soul. So you could consider it the soul of the being, the soul of the nation, the soul of the world. And Pluto doesn’t care about what we need, what we think we need, and what we want. It just cares about breaking down the false structures and bringing the, and shedding light on the dark. So for instance, all the things that are happening in the world for the past 10 to 12 years or more, we’ve been, Pluto has been in Capricorn and it’s breaking down the structures that we’ve had and testing the structures that we’ve had in place over the past, you know, couple hundred plus years of the existence of the United States, actually, because we’re having, we have, we are in the midst of a Pluto return for our nation, actually. And so on a global scale, astrology can give us indications of where we are, where things are in the world, and the trends, you know, for instance, back in the 70s and 80s was the dawning of technology, the expansion of technology, right? And that would be Uranus. Uranus is about bringing in new innovations and stuff like that. So, and now we’re moving into artificial intelligence. So we’ve got a lot of things. So there are kinds of those kinds of things we can see, but we often don’t see things in its fullest until hindsight, until we can see it from the rear view mirror, so to speak. But it really is about the individual, because I’m not involved in astrology from the world affairs perspective. It’s the individual that matters more to me.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay. Alrighty. So I’m looking at something in your bio and it talks about NLP. Explain what NLP is.
Carol Pilkington
Neuro-linguistic programming. Alfred Korzybski was the grandfather of neuro-linguistic programming and he actually started with a concept called general semantics. And general semantics is about how we are used by language and how we use language. So all of our mental constructs are based on language, how we perceive messages, how we get messages, and how we perceive the world through language. So there’s the what happened in our lives and then there’s the story that we have, we tell about it. And that is a construct of language. I’m not good enough. I wish I was better. I don’t matter. I’m not enough. These are all foundations of how we language and how we perceive ourselves through language. We are used by language. We absorb language. We didn’t learn language. In every culture, if I was in France, I would be absorbing the language of French. We’re here in the United States and our native language is English. So we absorbed the English language. We did not learn it. All the different belief systems that we absorbed through our parents, our community, our culture, society. So that’s what general semantics is about. It’s about dismantling the falsehoods of our perceptions through language.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
And you said something about we always get feedback. So is this the feedback that is here? Is this the self-talk that you’re talking about?
Carol Pilkington
Well, you know, I don’t know about you, but I see things in threes. You know, sometimes I’ll see a license plate and that license plate has a certain meaning. It’s reflecting back to me something that is meaningful to me. Or we might see something in the sky, an image in the sky that maybe no one else can see. And so we get subliminal messages, but we also get feedback from others based on their perceptions and understandings and their opinions. So the multitude of different types of feedback that we get and we can use it for our own understanding. And when we do market research, that’s feedback. In the simplest mundane way, market research, when we ask people what do you, when we ask people that we trust what we’ve, what they think of something that we’re experiencing or putting out there in the world, we get, we ask for experts advice and feedback. We could use it or not. So paying attention to those messages, those not only the direct messages that we’re getting, but the subliminal messages that we’re getting as well.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
So the subliminal messages, would you say that’s your first mind?
Carol Pilkington
Could be, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Yeah, yeah, because I think a lot of, well, we second guess, but we’ll say, you know, my first mind told me to do, if I had done this or, and I think that’s something that a lot of us have a hard time, I guess, I don’t know if it’s accepting, but really, like you say, listening to it and the feedback and paying attention.
Carol Pilkington
Yes, yeah. Some call it their intuition, you know, their gut feeling about something. And when we disregard it, sometimes we pay the consequences for it.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Right, right, right, right. I said I was going to put some signs up. I said, first mind, follow your first mind, follow, you know, because wherever that comes from, it’s usually the right decision to make if you follow that subliminal message.
Carol Pilkington
Yes.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
So when I saw that, what you said, feedback, I was thinking that that’s what you meant, that the self-talk, which is different from the subliminal messages, but the self-talk that we do for ourselves sometimes, which…
Carol Pilkington
Well, the self-talk, here’s my feeling on self-talk. Sometimes self-talk is just in the mind, but the intuition is totally different. It comes from somewhere else within us. It comes from the inner fiber of our deepest knowing of what is and what should or could be. But the self-talk is just up here in the mind, the conversations that go on.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Yeah, right. Okay.
Carol Pilkington
But also feedback, when you see something happen in threes, it lets me know that I’m on the right track.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
So I’m really curious. You said, okay, you could see a license plate and that’s a message. How does that happen?
Carol Pilkington
Well, you know, it’s, you see certain letters, you know, you have the letters and you have the numbers. Certain numbers have meaning to people, like ones and threes and such like that. When you see three ones or three threes or three twos and stuff like that, those numbers mean something to people. And when they see them on a license plate, it could give them confirmation of something that they’re experiencing or feeling that they should do. Certain letters, you know, some letters in a combination might mean something to someone. Like POB means to me, when I saw it on the license plate, it reminded me of presence of being and it reminded me to be more present. So different things like that, different, you know, things like that will mean certain things to different people and it won’t mean the same thing to everybody.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
So how do you tap into that?
Carol Pilkington
You know, when one is on a journey and they’re really tuning into their own inner nature, those voices, the truest voices of who we are, have the space to come through much louder and clearer. And the same with any of these messages, this feedback that I’m talking about, they come in and we can actually trust them more than if we’re just in the mind and hear all the chitter chatter that’s going on because those truer voices get drowned out by the, you know, the crew that never rests, I call it.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, okay.
Carol Pilkington
We can know the difference. You will always know the difference. And the more one does their inner work, the better they will know the difference.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, because I’m, you know, I always say my number is the number five, but I never paid any attention to, you know, if I see a five, you know, I never paid any attention to the fact that if that’s my number and I see that somewhere, you know, that it has something to do with me.
Carol Pilkington
What does that number mean to you?
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. For some reason, that’s my number. I don’t know why. I just, I don’t know. It’s just that, you know, if someone asked me, you know, like, what is your number? I always say it’s number five, but I’ve never pursued why it’s number five.
Carol Pilkington
Okay.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Oh, I don’t know what this person said. They said birthday. I guess what it means, does your birthday have something? Well, we talked about that.
Carol Pilkington
Well, I think what she’s meaning, I think what they’re meaning is maybe your birthday, your numerological birthday adds up to five. So whatever your birthday is, like mine is, my birthday is August 31st, 1954, and it adds up, all of those numbers add up to a four.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, well, I was born on the fifth, so maybe what?
Carol Pilkington
December.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, so it’s the 12th month, December 5th. So that’s eight. And what year were you born?
Carol Pilkington
1941.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, so 1941. So break that down. That’s 10, 14, five, that’s 15. So 15 and 12 is 27 and five is 32. So that’s a five. So three and two equals five.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Oh, Carol.
Carol Pilkington
Well, I can’t believe I did that in public in my head like that. I’m terrible with numbers. So your birthday adds up to a five.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
That’s amazing. Oh my goodness. And I have to go and look it up and see what five means.
Carol Pilkington
Yes, yes, yes.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Actually, because I had a numerologist on one time and I got to look back at that. So let’s talk about this really quick. Let me put it on here. It’s www.soulfilledlivingquiz.com.
Carol Pilkington
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Tell us about that quiz. But I want everyone to know I took that quiz. People, you need to take the quiz. Tell us about that quiz.
Carol Pilkington
It’s so cool, isn’t it? It’s a four-minute assessment of where you are on your journey that you decide where you are. It’s the four or five different categories and a sliding scale of statements that you decide where you’re at on that scale. And you get instant results in your inbox as a result of that, of the score that you, of all those statements and all those categories. Four minutes.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Yes, yes, yes. So I’m going to keep running that across the bottom because I want my audience to go in and take that quiz. It’s a free quiz, people. And I was kind of surprised. You know, if you answer it truthfully, I’m kind of surprised. Now, you have a book and it’s called The Amazing Itty Bitty Astrology Book.
Carol Pilkington
Yes.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
So tell us about the book.
Carol Pilkington
It’s 15 questions people ask about astrology. And one of the questions in it was one that I answered actually before about the separation of church and science and how it separated and when it separated. So that is one question that’s in there. And it’s really fascinating. I did a lot of research on it and I got a lot of wonderful reviews on it, especially one from a former journalist. And that’s really, you know, saying a lot. I’m kind of proud of that. So it’s a great book and it’s a really quick read. It’s like this thin.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Where can we get the book?
Carol Pilkington
You can get that on Amazon. You can put my name in the search window on Amazon and it should come up immediately.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay.
Carol Pilkington
The Itty Bitty, your amazing Itty Bitty book of astrology, 15 questions people ask about astrology.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay, so if you don’t remember the title, just put in Carol Pilkington and you will get that book. You know, time goes by. We got this one last question that came in here. It says, okay, for those of us who are unfamiliar with astrology, can you tell us how this can help us?
Carol Pilkington
Absolutely. We often have certain patterns of life that we’re kind of in the groove of, we’re stuck. So it can help us get unstuck. If we’re feeling anxious, if we’re feeling unmotivated, we’re trying to find the meaning in life, our own life, astrology is a way to help us understand that and find purpose and move through that.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Okay. All right. Well, Carol, this has been so interesting. It really, really has. And I want people to know, ladies out there, I met Carol through the Women’s Professional Network, Prosperity Network.
Carol Pilkington
Oh, what?
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Women’s Prosperity Network.
Carol Pilkington
Yes.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
And thank you so much, Carol. And look it up, Google Women’s Prosperity Network if you want to know more about it. I’m going to give you my email. But Carol, thank you so very, very much for being my guest. It has been educational, informative, enlightening, and you’re just a very, very, very pleasant, pleasant guest. And you have this aura around you, you know, this is it really, it’s like peace.
Carol Pilkington
Thank you so much.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Like peace.
Carol Pilkington
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
Well, thank you so much. So you have a beautiful, blessed rest of your day.
Carol Pilkington
You too.
Dr. Janice Hooker Fortman
All right. Wow, that’s been amazing. I learned a whole lot because, you know, people would say, oh no, you don’t want to know anything about astrology. You shouldn’t, you should, oh no, no, no, no, no. But not quite a bit. So what I want to tell you is on Saturday, this Saturday at 1 PM, I will be having a 90-minute special. Let me see if I could bring it up. Okay, so I’m on a different computer and I want to find, you know, it’s a shame. But anyway, it’s all about being a caregiver and it’s about how I know a lot of you out there are caregivers and it’s going to be about self-care for caregivers. And I will be putting it out there probably tomorrow, but it’s Saturday from 1 PM to 2:30 Central Time. And we will have three speakers who will talk to you about self-care for caregivers. And hopefully everyone who is out there, if you are a caregiver or you know a caregiver, to tune in for that. I think it would be very informative and enlightening and I think it will help you. At one time, I was a caregiver for my mom and I know that what they’ll be talking about is going to really, really, really help us. So thank you all for coming. I know that you got value from my guest today and you see I kept that on the bottom because I want you to go there and I want you to take that quiz. So until next week, no, until Saturday, I want you to have a beautiful, blessed rest of your morning, afternoon, or evening wherever you are in the world. And I will see you again on Relationship Matters TV. And I want you to remember there, I’m trying to talk and do this computer at the same time. I want you to remember that there are all kinds of relationships and all kinds of relationship matters. And remember that without relationships, there is no life. See you on Saturday, one o’clock. Bye-bye.