ENCORE Presentation – Emily Thiroux Threatt

[{“text”:”foreign”,”start”:7.62,”duration”:3},{“text”:”[Music]”,”start”:28.64,”duration”:51.22},{“text”:”thank you”,”start”:78.14,”duration”:4.72},{“text”:”foreign”,”start”:79.86,”duration”:3},{“text”:”[Music]”,”start”:83.2,”duration”:15.739},{“text”:”good morning good afternoon good evening”,”start”:95.64,”duration”:7.08},{“text”:”wherever you are in the world it’s Dr”,”start”:98.939,”duration”:5.761},{“text”:”Janice fortman”,”start”:102.72,”duration”:5.7},{“text”:”with relationship matters I hope”,”start”:104.7,”duration”:7.02},{“text”:”everyone is having a beautifully blessed”,”start”:108.42,”duration”:7.86},{“text”:”morning afternoon evening wherever you”,”start”:111.72,”duration”:6.6},{“text”:”are in the world”,”start”:116.28,”duration”:3.9},{“text”:”well”,”start”:118.32,”duration”:5.72},{“text”:”I’m still on my soap box”,”start”:120.18,”duration”:8.04},{“text”:”and I know you know audience what”,”start”:124.04,”duration”:7.6},{“text”:”soapbox I am on”,”start”:128.22,”duration”:7.019},{“text”:”the soap box is”,”start”:131.64,”duration”:4.64},{“text”:”the”,”start”:135.239,”duration”:2.72},{“text”:”covid-19″,”start”:136.28,”duration”:5.86},{“text”:”vaccination Soap Box”,”start”:137.959,”duration”:7.541},{“text”:”have you had your vaccination”,”start”:142.14,”duration”:6.9},{“text”:”now as I always say I know a lot of my”,”start”:145.5,”duration”:5.04},{“text”:”audience”,”start”:149.04,”duration”:4.74},{“text”:”a few of them anyway don’t believe in”,”start”:150.54,”duration”:5.58},{“text”:”the vaccine”,”start”:153.78,”duration”:3.959},{“text”:”um whatever”,”start”:156.12,”duration”:4.14},{“text”:”but think about it”,”start”:157.739,”duration”:5.28},{“text”:”think about it even if you don’t get it”,”start”:160.26,”duration”:4.199},{“text”:”for you”,”start”:163.019,”duration”:4.741},{“text”:”get it for someone that you love”,”start”:164.459,”duration”:6.42},{“text”:”you don’t want to get it”,”start”:167.76,”duration”:6.619},{“text”:”and then you give it to your children”,”start”:170.879,”duration”:7.5},{“text”:”your parents your spouse”,”start”:174.379,”duration”:8.321},{“text”:”and they get really really ill or pass”,”start”:178.379,”duration”:5.58},{“text”:”away from it”,”start”:182.7,”duration”:4.679},{“text”:”now I’ve had both of my as a matter of”,”start”:183.959,”duration”:7.681},{“text”:”fact on Monday I got my booster”,”start”:187.379,”duration”:5.701},{“text”:”and”,”start”:191.64,”duration”:3.84},{“text”:”um it didn’t give me cobit”,”start”:193.08,”duration”:5.22},{“text”:”I haven’t grown any horns”,”start”:195.48,”duration”:5.94},{“text”:”and I’m doing just fine”,”start”:198.3,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”so”,”start”:201.42,”duration”:5.76},{“text”:”get your vaccine”,”start”:202.8,”duration”:8.34},{“text”:”now a lot of things are happening during”,”start”:207.18,”duration”:7.5},{“text”:”covet I think they said over 700″,”start”:211.14,”duration”:7.319},{“text”:”000 people have passed have died from”,”start”:214.68,”duration”:6.72},{“text”:”covid and”,”start”:218.459,”duration”:7.321},{“text”:”think about this that’s a lot of grief a”,”start”:221.4,”duration”:5.759},{“text”:”lot of grief”,”start”:225.78,”duration”:3.06},{“text”:”and today”,”start”:227.159,”duration”:4.8},{“text”:”I have as my guest”,”start”:228.84,”duration”:7.38},{“text”:”Emily Thoreau three”,”start”:231.959,”duration”:5.821},{“text”:”now let me tell you a little bit about”,”start”:236.22,”duration”:4.439},{“text”:”Emily before she comes on”,”start”:237.78,”duration”:7.98},{“text”:”Emily is a grief transformation expert”,”start”:240.659,”duration”:8.041},{“text”:”and holds a master’s degree in English”,”start”:245.76,”duration”:5.72},{“text”:”with a concentrating in writing”,”start”:248.7,”duration”:5.7},{“text”:”concentration in writing she’s been”,”start”:251.48,”duration”:4.719},{“text”:”teaching writing and composition on the”,”start”:254.4,”duration”:4.98},{“text”:”college and university level for over 30″,”start”:256.199,”duration”:4.921},{“text”:”years”,”start”:259.38,”duration”:3.539},{“text”:”I think she’s too young she must have”,”start”:261.12,”duration”:3.72},{“text”:”started when she was 10.”,”start”:262.919,”duration”:4.141},{“text”:”during that time she published three”,”start”:264.84,”duration”:5.76},{“text”:”writing textbooks with Princess Hall and”,”start”:267.06,”duration”:5.579},{“text”:”Pearson Education”,”start”:270.6,”duration”:4.62},{“text”:”she participated with the bereaved”,”start”:272.639,”duration”:5.34},{“text”:”persons Association in Bakersfield”,”start”:275.22,”duration”:4.32},{“text”:”California”,”start”:277.979,”duration”:5.521},{“text”:”which her husband co-founded she also”,”start”:279.54,”duration”:6.02},{“text”:”assisted her husband”,”start”:283.5,”duration”:7.199},{“text”:”Jacques Thoreau a bioethicist with”,”start”:285.56,”duration”:7.859},{“text”:”multiple revisions of his popular text”,”start”:290.699,”duration”:7.44},{“text”:”ethics theory and practice published by”,”start”:293.419,”duration”:8.741},{“text”:”Prentice Hall and Pearson Education”,”start”:298.139,”duration”:8.701},{“text”:”now with the loss of two husbands”,”start”:302.16,”duration”:6.9},{“text”:”her parents”,”start”:306.84,”duration”:6.359},{“text”:”sisters and many friends she has”,”start”:309.06,”duration”:7.38},{“text”:”in-depth experience in the grief”,”start”:313.199,”duration”:5.821},{“text”:”Discovery process”,”start”:316.44,”duration”:6},{“text”:”and she’s going to offer offer us some”,”start”:319.02,”duration”:6.8},{“text”:”real answers on how to”,”start”:322.44,”duration”:7.14},{“text”:”transformationally move through grief”,”start”:325.82,”duration”:10.12},{“text”:”to a life filled with joy and love so I”,”start”:329.58,”duration”:11.959},{“text”:”am going to bring Emily in now hi Emily”,”start”:335.94,”duration”:8.22},{“text”:”Aloha nice to see you yeah yeah right”,”start”:341.539,”duration”:4.981},{“text”:”hello”,”start”:344.16,”duration”:2.36},{“text”:”and how are you I’m just great it’s a”,”start”:346.58,”duration”:5.559},{“text”:”beautiful day here in Maui”,”start”:350.28,”duration”:4.32},{“text”:”you know”,”start”:352.139,”duration”:5.481},{“text”:”stop bragging”,”start”:354.6,”duration”:3.02},{“text”:”oh”,”start”:357.9,”duration”:5.4},{“text”:”you are in Maui I am jealous”,”start”:359,”duration”:6.66},{“text”:”I know it’s beautiful”,”start”:363.3,”duration”:6.54},{“text”:”I know it’s beautiful and we’re here in”,”start”:365.66,”duration”:6.4},{“text”:”Chicago and”,”start”:369.84,”duration”:4.32},{“text”:”um it’s supposed to go down at least in”,”start”:372.06,”duration”:6.419},{“text”:”the outlying suburbs to maybe 37 36″,”start”:374.16,”duration”:5.16},{“text”:”degrees”,”start”:378.479,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”just a little bit above freezing”,”start”:379.32,”duration”:6.14},{“text”:”right”,”start”:382.979,”duration”:2.481},{“text”:”so I don’t want to hear anything else”,”start”:385.5,”duration”:6.78},{“text”:”about Maui and Hawaii okay”,”start”:387.419,”duration”:4.861},{“text”:”and before we get into the topic”,”start”:392.58,”duration”:8.94},{“text”:”I was”,”start”:399.18,”duration”:6.66},{“text”:”really curious about your husband’s book”,”start”:401.52,”duration”:8.399},{“text”:”because I had never heard”,”start”:405.84,”duration”:7.26},{“text”:”of a bioethicist”,”start”:409.919,”duration”:6.84},{“text”:”and so I looked it up and I looked up”,”start”:413.1,”duration”:5.42},{“text”:”your husband’s book”,”start”:416.759,”duration”:4.681},{“text”:”and it said”,”start”:418.52,”duration”:6.959},{“text”:”um examples of”,”start”:421.44,”duration”:6.02},{“text”:”bioethices”,”start”:425.479,”duration”:4.901},{“text”:”Ethics rather yes”,”start”:427.46,”duration”:5.019},{“text”:”um is”,”start”:430.38,”duration”:2.819},{“text”:”um”,”start”:432.479,”duration”:3.261},{“text”:”organ donation”,”start”:433.199,”duration”:4.28},{“text”:”transplant”,”start”:435.74,”duration”:4.54},{“text”:”transplantation genetic research death”,”start”:437.479,”duration”:6.461},{“text”:”and dying and environmental concerns and”,”start”:440.28,”duration”:7.08},{“text”:”so what from what I’m understanding is”,”start”:443.94,”duration”:7.8},{“text”:”that it’s the ethics that’s involved in”,”start”:447.36,”duration”:8.16},{“text”:”all of that yes the ethics uh that has”,”start”:451.74,”duration”:5.459},{“text”:”to do with living”,”start”:455.52,”duration”:3.66},{“text”:”in general I think it’s probably the”,”start”:457.199,”duration”:4.081},{“text”:”easiest way to to say it in anything”,”start”:459.18,”duration”:5.94},{“text”:”related to life and death matters okay”,”start”:461.28,”duration”:7.68},{“text”:”and okay all right okay yeah um I was”,”start”:465.12,”duration”:6},{“text”:”looking at that and I thought oh wow you”,”start”:468.96,”duration”:5.7},{“text”:”know uh that’s that’s that’s pretty deep”,”start”:471.12,”duration”:7.74},{“text”:”um and um and it said uh that you had”,”start”:474.66,”duration”:6.96},{“text”:”helped him to revise his book quite a”,”start”:478.86,”duration”:5.459},{“text”:”few times I think there are 11 editions”,”start”:481.62,”duration”:5.76},{“text”:”yes I know now it’s available uh”,”start”:484.319,”duration”:6.801},{“text”:”digitally it’s still used he wrote it in”,”start”:487.38,”duration”:7.2},{“text”:”1975. wow it’s still used around the”,”start”:491.12,”duration”:4.419},{“text”:”world”,”start”:494.58,”duration”:3.72},{“text”:”and most of it now is with the online”,”start”:495.539,”duration”:4.861},{“text”:”education classes that the universities”,”start”:498.3,”duration”:3.78},{“text”:”are doing now so that students have”,”start”:500.4,”duration”:4.38},{“text”:”access to it online that I’ve got a”,”start”:502.08,”duration”:5.459},{“text”:”whole row of the books in my bookcase of”,”start”:504.78,”duration”:5.34},{“text”:”all the different editions okay all”,”start”:507.539,”duration”:5.461},{“text”:”righty well”,”start”:510.12,”duration”:5.88},{“text”:”I I want to start out”,”start”:513,”duration”:4.44},{“text”:”um talking about”,”start”:516,”duration”:4.8},{“text”:”uh your journey”,”start”:517.44,”duration”:6.18},{“text”:”and”,”start”:520.8,”duration”:6.8},{“text”:”how you became”,”start”:523.62,”duration”:3.98},{“text”:”I um”,”start”:528.3,”duration”:4.94},{“text”:”well I know it’s not a grief counselor”,”start”:530.1,”duration”:6.54},{“text”:”but but what would you call your title”,”start”:533.24,”duration”:6.88},{“text”:”well my publisher says grief”,”start”:536.64,”duration”:6.9},{“text”:”transformation expert okay and I it to”,”start”:540.12,”duration”:6.659},{“text”:”me it’s more of a facilitator or coach”,”start”:543.54,”duration”:5.96},{“text”:”to help people through the process”,”start”:546.779,”duration”:5.341},{“text”:”especially with finding happiness while”,”start”:549.5,”duration”:4.779},{“text”:”they’re grieving that’s that’s a very”,”start”:552.12,”duration”:5.339},{“text”:”important part of what I do okay so tell”,”start”:554.279,”duration”:7.801},{“text”:”us about your journey to to becoming a”,”start”:557.459,”duration”:7.621},{“text”:”grief transformational expert”,”start”:562.08,”duration”:6.9},{“text”:”well I became very interested in”,”start”:565.08,”duration”:6.06},{“text”:”actually life and death matters when I”,”start”:568.98,”duration”:5.7},{“text”:”was pretty young my father got an”,”start”:571.14,”duration”:6.48},{“text”:”ambulance company in a small town when I”,”start”:574.68,”duration”:6.48},{“text”:”was 13 years old and my mom and dad and”,”start”:577.62,”duration”:5.399},{“text”:”I ran it together it was a small town”,”start”:581.16,”duration”:5.28},{“text”:”small company and in back in those days”,”start”:583.019,”duration”:6},{“text”:”in the olden days you only had to have”,”start”:586.44,”duration”:5.1},{“text”:”an advanced first aid certificate to be”,”start”:589.019,”duration”:5.461},{“text”:”in attendant on ambulance calls and so”,”start”:591.54,”duration”:5.22},{“text”:”and my dad was the first aid instructor”,”start”:594.48,”duration”:5.76},{“text”:”in town so by my 14th birthday I was”,”start”:596.76,”duration”:5.639},{“text”:”certified and ready to go on ambulance”,”start”:600.24,”duration”:7.26},{“text”:”calls and my first ambulance call was uh”,”start”:602.399,”duration”:7.861},{“text”:”two families and a head-on collision”,”start”:607.5,”duration”:5.1},{“text”:”with multiple fatalities”,”start”:610.26,”duration”:5.88},{“text”:”and it really made me start thinking”,”start”:612.6,”duration”:4.64},{“text”:”about”,”start”:616.14,”duration”:3.78},{“text”:”the fine line between you know now”,”start”:617.24,”duration”:4.42},{“text”:”you’re here and then you’re not”,”start”:619.92,”duration”:4.919},{“text”:”and what that meant and and how to deal”,”start”:621.66,”duration”:6.2},{“text”:”with it and how to feel about it and”,”start”:624.839,”duration”:5.94},{“text”:”I continued helping Mom and Dad run the”,”start”:627.86,”duration”:4.979},{“text”:”company until I went away to college”,”start”:630.779,”duration”:4.62},{“text”:”on purpose so I could be away from”,”start”:632.839,”duration”:6.041},{“text”:”having this 24-hour business uh that”,”start”:635.399,”duration”:5.761},{“text”:”that we took care of all the time”,”start”:638.88,”duration”:4.32},{“text”:”and then um”,”start”:641.16,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”it just seemed like I always was in a”,”start”:643.2,”duration”:4.68},{“text”:”position where I was helping people out”,”start”:645.66,”duration”:4.679},{“text”:”in one way or another with”,”start”:647.88,”duration”:3},{“text”:”um”,”start”:650.339,”duration”:3.661},{“text”:”friends and and throughout my life have”,”start”:650.88,”duration”:5.94},{“text”:”invited me to come and sit with people”,”start”:654,”duration”:5.64},{“text”:”who are dying and and so I did a lot of”,”start”:656.82,”duration”:3.72},{“text”:”that”,”start”:659.64,”duration”:2.28},{“text”:”and”,”start”:660.54,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”then I was married to Jacques for 22″,”start”:661.92,”duration”:6.96},{“text”:”years and we had even though he was a”,”start”:665.04,”duration”:5.76},{“text”:”bioethicist he also was an actor and”,”start”:668.88,”duration”:3.42},{“text”:”singer and had a great time in the”,”start”:670.8,”duration”:3},{“text”:”community with doing that sort of thing”,”start”:672.3,”duration”:4.2},{“text”:”we did a lot of theater together and we”,”start”:673.8,”duration”:5.84},{“text”:”had a great happy life and”,”start”:676.5,”duration”:6.06},{“text”:”when he didn’t really”,”start”:679.64,”duration”:6.16},{“text”:”realize I think that he was dying he he”,”start”:682.56,”duration”:5.339},{“text”:”had been dealing with congestive heart”,”start”:685.8,”duration”:4.26},{“text”:”failure and then renal failure and”,”start”:687.899,”duration”:4.921},{“text”:”dialysis and all that sort of thing”,”start”:690.06,”duration”:4.32},{“text”:”and”,”start”:692.82,”duration”:5.759},{“text”:”the the one Friday morning we had just”,”start”:694.38,”duration”:6.24},{“text”:”finished for the first time being able”,”start”:698.579,”duration”:4.32},{“text”:”to submit a revision of the textbook”,”start”:700.62,”duration”:4.74},{“text”:”online instead of having to mail in big”,”start”:702.899,”duration”:5.521},{“text”:”boxes of papers that we printed off and”,”start”:705.36,”duration”:4.86},{“text”:”so we call this editor and we celebrated”,”start”:708.42,”duration”:4.62},{“text”:”and it was it was great and we had lunch”,”start”:710.22,”duration”:4.799},{“text”:”and we were getting ready to take him to”,”start”:713.04,”duration”:4.68},{“text”:”dialysis and he just said”,”start”:715.019,”duration”:5.121},{“text”:”am I going to get better”,”start”:717.72,”duration”:5.64},{“text”:”and it just hit me at that moment that”,”start”:720.14,”duration”:6.04},{“text”:”even though that he’d taught at the the”,”start”:723.36,”duration”:4.02},{“text”:”college”,”start”:726.18,”duration”:3.36},{“text”:”his main class that he taught was to the”,”start”:727.38,”duration”:4.019},{“text”:”nurses on how to deal with living and”,”start”:729.54,”duration”:5.88},{“text”:”dying and here he thought he all these”,”start”:731.399,”duration”:6.421},{“text”:”times in the hospital all the doctors”,”start”:735.42,”duration”:4.56},{“text”:”visits and everything else were to make”,”start”:737.82,”duration”:5.1},{“text”:”him better to get well”,”start”:739.98,”duration”:5.099},{“text”:”and it didn’t dawn on me till then I”,”start”:742.92,”duration”:3.72},{“text”:”wish we would have talked about that in”,”start”:745.079,”duration”:3.781},{“text”:”particular before but we didn’t and and”,”start”:746.64,”duration”:5.58},{“text”:”I had to tell him no because he wasn’t”,”start”:748.86,”duration”:6.08},{“text”:”he was getting worse all the time”,”start”:752.22,”duration”:6.84},{“text”:”and uh he died about an hour later oh my”,”start”:754.94,”duration”:7},{“text”:”God oh my goodness so I I think he just”,”start”:759.06,”duration”:4.86},{“text”:”kind of had to to know that he didn’t”,”start”:761.94,”duration”:4.079},{“text”:”have to keep struggling to stay alive he”,”start”:763.92,”duration”:4.56},{“text”:”was thrilled that he got his his book uh”,”start”:766.019,”duration”:4.26},{“text”:”revision completed that was kind of what”,”start”:768.48,”duration”:4.919},{“text”:”his goal was to get that accomplished”,”start”:770.279,”duration”:6.961},{“text”:”and then he was gone just like that oh”,”start”:773.399,”duration”:6.481},{“text”:”my goodness was was he at home or in”,”start”:777.24,”duration”:4.68},{“text”:”yeah we were we were in the process of”,”start”:779.88,”duration”:3.42},{“text”:”getting him into the car to go to”,”start”:781.92,”duration”:4.2},{“text”:”dialysis and he was sitting on the edge”,”start”:783.3,”duration”:4.38},{“text”:”of the car and he just looked up at me”,”start”:786.12,”duration”:3.3},{“text”:”with this kind of shock look on his face”,”start”:787.68,”duration”:4.2},{“text”:”and instead of not very nice word”,”start”:789.42,”duration”:5.159},{“text”:”because he was shocked and that was it”,”start”:791.88,”duration”:5.88},{“text”:”he was gone oh my goodness oh wow I’m”,”start”:794.579,”duration”:5.76},{“text”:”sorry to hear that oh my goodness”,”start”:797.76,”duration”:7.139},{“text”:”and how long ago was that that was in uh”,”start”:800.339,”duration”:6.481},{“text”:”2006.”,”start”:804.899,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”okay so now that was your first husband”,”start”:806.82,”duration”:6.06},{“text”:”well actually my my second husband I had”,”start”:809.399,”duration”:5.481},{“text”:”a starter husband”,”start”:812.88,”duration”:6.259},{“text”:”[Laughter]”,”start”:814.88,”duration”:7.06},{“text”:”the father of my children and you know”,”start”:819.139,”duration”:4.781},{“text”:”we just it was we were young and we”,”start”:821.94,”duration”:3.66},{“text”:”weren’t quite really right for each”,”start”:823.92,”duration”:3.9},{“text”:”other and it was uh good for both of us”,”start”:825.6,”duration”:5.7},{“text”:”that that marriage ended but then I met”,”start”:827.82,”duration”:5.519},{“text”:”Jack and he was fabulous and being”,”start”:831.3,”duration”:5.4},{“text”:”removed for 22 years oh my goodness now”,”start”:833.339,”duration”:5.94},{“text”:”I said in your bio that you lost two”,”start”:836.7,”duration”:4.259},{“text”:”husbands that’s right”,”start”:839.279,”duration”:6.541},{“text”:”and so so so okay your your starter”,”start”:840.959,”duration”:8.241},{“text”:”husband he’s still alive”,”start”:845.82,”duration”:9},{“text”:”okay and Jacques uh okay he passed and”,”start”:849.2,”duration”:8.439},{“text”:”and so your second husband I know your”,”start”:854.82,”duration”:4.92},{“text”:”third third husband yeah yeah I got”,”start”:857.639,”duration”:4.621},{“text”:”married again Aftershock I had no”,”start”:859.74,”duration”:4.44},{“text”:”intention of getting married no”,”start”:862.26,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”intention of dating I we’d have a great”,”start”:864.18,”duration”:6},{“text”:”relationship and I just thought I’m I”,”start”:866.76,”duration”:5.699},{“text”:”can figure out how to do this on my own”,”start”:870.18,”duration”:3.36},{“text”:”and”,”start”:872.459,”duration”:3.361},{“text”:”I didn’t expect to meet anybody else but”,”start”:873.54,”duration”:4.2},{“text”:”then I did”,”start”:875.82,”duration”:5.639},{“text”:”and he was also quite wonderful absolute”,”start”:877.74,”duration”:6.3},{“text”:”opposite of Jacques they couldn’t have”,”start”:881.459,”duration”:4.261},{“text”:”been more different except for they both”,”start”:884.04,”duration”:6.06},{“text”:”were very ethical uh honest uh very love”,”start”:885.72,”duration”:5.94},{“text”:”based”,”start”:890.1,”duration”:5.46},{“text”:”which was was perfect and we had a a”,”start”:891.66,”duration”:6.6},{“text”:”great time together good really good”,”start”:895.56,”duration”:4.68},{“text”:”relationship it took me a while to be”,”start”:898.26,”duration”:4.019},{“text”:”able to be willing to”,”start”:900.24,”duration”:4.62},{“text”:”fully give into the relationship though”,”start”:902.279,”duration”:4.86},{“text”:”and he he kept wanting me to marry him”,”start”:904.86,”duration”:3.719},{“text”:”and I just”,”start”:907.139,”duration”:5.94},{“text”:”I never felt unmarried to Jacques it”,”start”:908.579,”duration”:6.12},{“text”:”wasn’t something I thought about before”,”start”:913.079,”duration”:4.161},{“text”:”he died that eventually I wouldn’t be”,”start”:914.699,”duration”:6.181},{“text”:”married because I I knew he was”,”start”:917.24,”duration”:5.44},{“text”:”on his way out”,”start”:920.88,”duration”:5.28},{“text”:”but it just I we didn’t get divorced you”,”start”:922.68,”duration”:5.519},{“text”:”know I know they say from Death do you”,”start”:926.16,”duration”:4.26},{“text”:”part in traditional battles but we wrote”,”start”:928.199,”duration”:4.861},{“text”:”Our Own vows and we didn’t say that and”,”start”:930.42,”duration”:5.039},{“text”:”it it just”,”start”:933.06,”duration”:6.6},{“text”:”I just didn’t feel unmarried so it was”,”start”:935.459,”duration”:6},{“text”:”it took me a while to get to the point”,”start”:939.66,”duration”:3.96},{“text”:”where I felt like I really could get”,”start”:941.459,”duration”:4.44},{“text”:”married again because Ron and I became”,”start”:943.62,”duration”:5.64},{“text”:”very very close and it just was the”,”start”:945.899,”duration”:6},{“text”:”logical thing to do so there I was”,”start”:949.26,”duration”:4.319},{“text”:”married another time”,”start”:951.899,”duration”:4.68},{“text”:”and he was as far as I knew healthy when”,”start”:953.579,”duration”:5.06},{“text”:”I married him but he ended up having”,”start”:956.579,”duration”:4.56},{“text”:”congestive heart failure and renal”,”start”:958.639,”duration”:4.781},{“text”:”failure just like shock at a hat and”,”start”:961.139,”duration”:4.081},{“text”:”that’s what he died from”,”start”:963.42,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”so how long were you married to him we”,”start”:965.22,”duration”:5.88},{“text”:”were together uh 10 years we were”,”start”:967.92,”duration”:6.12},{“text”:”married uh almost seven that we were”,”start”:971.1,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”together for 10 years”,”start”:974.04,”duration”:3.299},{“text”:”so Emily”,”start”:975.6,”duration”:5.58},{“text”:”how did you deal with”,”start”:977.339,”duration”:7.321},{“text”:”both deaths first of all how did you”,”start”:981.18,”duration”:6.839},{“text”:”deal with Jacques 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asked me to help”,”start”:1294.679,”duration”:5.941},{“text”:”him on the races and so I actually was”,”start”:1298.1,”duration”:6.48},{“text”:”his like caretaker on the Race Across”,”start”:1300.62,”duration”:5.22},{“text”:”America”,”start”:1304.58,”duration”:5.76},{“text”:”on a bicycle yeah he he holds many world”,”start”:1305.84,”duration”:6.959},{“text”:”records in that and that was quite an”,”start”:1310.34,”duration”:4.26},{“text”:”amazing situation so all these things”,”start”:1312.799,”duration”:3.36},{“text”:”and there was more than that there were”,”start”:1314.6,”duration”:3.24},{“text”:”a whole bunch of other things like the”,”start”:1316.159,”duration”:4.201},{“text”:”the county regional center asked me to”,”start”:1317.84,”duration”:4.44},{“text”:”be on their bioethics committee as a”,”start”:1320.36,”duration”:3.24},{“text”:”layperson”,”start”:1322.28,”duration”:4.259},{“text”:”uh Jacques had been on there as an”,”start”:1323.6,”duration”:6},{“text”:”ethicist but they 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no”,”start”:1358.76,”duration”:5.279},{“text”:”and then uh she said it to me so many”,”start”:1361.64,”duration”:4.44},{“text”:”times so I thought you know what I made”,”start”:1364.039,”duration”:3.781},{“text”:”this commitment to say yes when people”,”start”:1366.08,”duration”:3.599},{“text”:”invited me to do something and she said”,”start”:1367.82,”duration”:4.56},{“text”:”it to me so many times I thought”,”start”:1369.679,”duration”:5.761},{“text”:”I I’m supposed to do this that I decided”,”start”:1372.38,”duration”:6.06},{“text”:”to set myself up by writing this list of”,”start”:1375.44,”duration”:4.859},{“text”:”everything that I had to have in”,”start”:1378.44,”duration”:3.359},{“text”:”somebody that I would even consider”,”start”:1380.299,”duration”:4.26},{“text”:”going out to meet for coffee you know”,”start”:1381.799,”duration”:4.62},{“text”:”okay let alone a long-term relationship”,”start”:1384.559,”duration”:4.381},{“text”:”and it was a really detailed list with 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next”,”start”:3244.74,”duration”:3.359},{“text”:”question that could be how about those”,”start”:3246.54,”duration”:4.799},{“text”:”Dodgers you know that that they just”,”start”:3248.099,”duration”:6.661},{“text”:”feel like it’s an obligation instead of”,”start”:3251.339,”duration”:7.98},{“text”:”something that uh that’s truly caring”,”start”:3254.76,”duration”:8.7},{“text”:”okay now one other question uh the last”,”start”:3259.319,”duration”:5.581},{“text”:”question”,”start”:3263.46,”duration”:4.56},{“text”:”uh I read somewhere where it says that”,”start”:3264.9,”duration”:5.6},{“text”:”grief is a lifelong journey”,”start”:3268.02,”duration”:5.819},{“text”:”is in your opinion is that true”,”start”:3270.5,”duration”:4.9},{“text”:”absolutely”,”start”:3273.839,”duration”:3.661},{“text”:”grief is not something that you get over”,”start”:3275.4,”duration”:4.199},{“text”:”a lot of people think that you’re”,”start”:3277.5,”duration”:3.78},{“text”:”supposed to get over grief and move on”,”start”:3279.599,”duration”:3.72},{“text”:”with your life and I’ve certainly moved”,”start”:3281.28,”duration”:6.14},{“text”:”forward in my life that I will always”,”start”:3283.319,”duration”:8.101},{“text”:”hold both my husbands in my heart and my”,”start”:3287.42,”duration”:6.399},{“text”:”mom and dad and my sister and all my”,”start”:3291.42,”duration”:4.62},{“text”:”other relatives and friends that that I”,”start”:3293.819,”duration”:4.921},{“text”:”have gone before me they’re always going”,”start”:3296.04,”duration”:5.22},{“text”:”to be there in my heart and that’s just”,”start”:3298.74,”duration”:7.56},{“text”:”part of the love in my life and it’s I”,”start”:3301.26,”duration”:7.079},{“text”:”think when when people want grief to be”,”start”:3306.3,”duration”:4.58},{“text”:”over it’s it’s in kind of a negative”,”start”:3308.339,”duration”:4.98},{“text”:”feeling and if you can look at it”,”start”:3310.88,”duration”:6.4},{“text”:”positively in dealing with love then”,”start”:3313.319,”duration”:7.861},{“text”:”that makes it better”,”start”:3317.28,”duration”:6.48},{“text”:”okay so we had a comment from Sandy”,”start”:3321.18,”duration”:4.86},{“text”:”Barney in and she said I hate it when”,”start”:3323.76,”duration”:5.64},{“text”:”someone would say um I know how you feel”,”start”:3326.04,”duration”:7.14},{“text”:”yeah that’s that’s no good no you don’t”,”start”:3329.4,”duration”:7.439},{“text”:”know how we feel right right and so now”,”start”:3333.18,”duration”:5.939},{“text”:”Emily if people want to get in contact”,”start”:3336.839,”duration”:4.921},{“text”:”with you and and really”,”start”:3339.119,”duration”:5.46},{“text”:”um get your Journal your your book”,”start”:3341.76,”duration”:5.46},{“text”:”loving and living your way through”,”start”:3344.579,”duration”:5.401},{“text”:”grief.com is that the way they can get”,”start”:3347.22,”duration”:4.619},{“text”:”in contact that’s right they can contact”,”start”:3349.98,”duration”:4.859},{“text”:”me through there that’s my website you”,”start”:3351.839,”duration”:5.581},{“text”:”can also email me at Emily loving and”,”start”:3354.839,”duration”:4.881},{“text”:”livingyourway throughbrief.com”,”start”:3357.42,”duration”:4.679},{“text”:”and uh”,”start”:3359.72,”duration”:5.02},{“text”:”it’s the book’s available and it’s”,”start”:3362.099,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”traditionally published so any place”,”start”:3364.74,”duration”:3.599},{“text”:”that you buy your books you can get it”,”start”:3366.599,”duration”:3.72},{“text”:”it’s it’s on Amazon but it’s also on”,”start”:3368.339,”duration”:4.381},{“text”:”Barnes and Noble and uh all the other”,”start”:3370.319,”duration”:4.561},{“text”:”independent booksellers it’s it’s out”,”start”:3372.72,”duration”:4.8},{“text”:”there all over the place so okay and if”,”start”:3374.88,”duration”:4.5},{“text”:”they want to call you they can call you”,”start”:3377.52,”duration”:3.559},{“text”:”I get to know yeah”,”start”:3379.38,”duration”:4.219},{“text”:”I got it put it out there”,”start”:3381.079,”duration”:6.301},{“text”:”it’s 808″,”start”:3383.599,”duration”:3.781},{“text”:”-446-3557 and you can go on Amazon”,”start”:3389.18,”duration”:6.72},{“text”:”amazon.com”,”start”:3393.119,”duration”:5.581},{“text”:”and um get”,”start”:3395.9,”duration”:5.56},{“text”:”Emily’s book don’t go in there shopping”,”start”:3398.7,”duration”:6},{“text”:”for shoes and clothes come on here and”,”start”:3401.46,”duration”:7.02},{“text”:”shop for something that you really all”,”start”:3404.7,”duration”:6.3},{“text”:”of us all of us can benefit from because”,”start”:3408.48,”duration”:4.98},{“text”:”all of us are going to go there”,”start”:3411,”duration”:5.18},{“text”:”loving and living your way through”,”start”:3413.46,”duration”:7.8},{“text”:”grief.com Emily thank you so much for”,”start”:3416.18,”duration”:9.46},{“text”:”being with us today and oh got another”,”start”:3421.26,”duration”:6.839},{“text”:”question but Sarah we only got a minute”,”start”:3425.64,”duration”:4.919},{“text”:”so Sarah says”,”start”:3428.099,”duration”:4.381},{“text”:”um so what do you say I guess if you”,”start”:3430.559,”duration”:4.101},{“text”:”don’t say I know”,”start”:3432.48,”duration”:5.82},{“text”:”I can tell you quick okay mention the”,”start”:3434.66,”duration”:6.04},{“text”:”person’s name and say a memory a”,”start”:3438.3,”duration”:4.559},{“text”:”positive memory about them”,”start”:3440.7,”duration”:4.68},{“text”:”like people said about my parents they”,”start”:3442.859,”duration”:3.96},{“text”:”said I loved how they were married all”,”start”:3445.38,”duration”:3.479},{“text”:”those years and they all still were”,”start”:3446.819,”duration”:5.161},{“text”:”holding hands all the time so that sort”,”start”:3448.859,”duration”:5.341},{“text”:”of thing is going to bring a smile to”,”start”:3451.98,”duration”:5.82},{“text”:”you instead of Tears so okay all righty”,”start”:3454.2,”duration”:6.359},{“text”:”well we did get that last I question it”,”start”:3457.8,”duration”:5.46},{“text”:”well thank you so Emma so much Emily for”,”start”:3460.559,”duration”:6.601},{“text”:”being with us you have really given us a”,”start”:3463.26,”duration”:7.26},{“text”:”lot of information that we all are going”,”start”:3467.16,”duration”:8.52},{“text”:”to need and I want you I told her before”,”start”:3470.52,”duration”:7.319},{“text”:”the show not to say anything else to me”,”start”:3475.68,”duration”:4.7},{“text”:”about Maui”,”start”:3477.839,”duration”:6.301},{“text”:”well when you come you must visit me yes”,”start”:3480.38,”duration”:7.86},{“text”:”definitely definitely so aloha aloha”,”start”:3484.14,”duration”:7.939},{“text”:”alrighty bye-bye”,”start”:3488.24,”duration”:3.839},{“text”:”wow that was very very very very very”,”start”:3492.9,”duration”:7.08},{“text”:”very interesting it’s something that we”,”start”:3494.88,”duration”:6.979},{“text”:”are definitely”,”start”:3499.98,”duration”:3.74},{“text”:”definitely”,”start”:3501.859,”duration”:4.901},{“text”:”we all need we are we’re all going to”,”start”:3503.72,”duration”:4.18},{“text”:”need”,”start”:3506.76,”duration”:3.9},{“text”:”um at some point uh in our lives we’re”,”start”:3507.9,”duration”:5.58},{“text”:”all going to need that and uh I really”,”start”:3510.66,”duration”:6.679},{“text”:”wanted to have her on the show because”,”start”:3513.48,”duration”:6.66},{“text”:”especially now through covet with Kobe”,”start”:3517.339,”duration”:6.341},{“text”:”going on it’s so much grief and and so”,”start”:3520.14,”duration”:7.679},{“text”:”many people can benefit from uh Emily’s”,”start”:3523.68,”duration”:5.639},{“text”:”Journal”,”start”:3527.819,”duration”:5.161},{“text”:”so I want everyone uh to have”,”start”:3529.319,”duration”:6},{“text”:”um beautifully blessed morning afternoon”,”start”:3532.98,”duration”:5.099},{“text”:”or evening wherever you are in the world”,”start”:3535.319,”duration”:6.24},{“text”:”you like to be on relationship matters”,”start”:3538.079,”duration”:8.181},{“text”:”just submit a headshot and a brief bio”,”start”:3541.559,”duration”:7.441},{“text”:”and just submit it to relationship”,”start”:3546.26,”duration”:5.94},{“text”:”matters TV at”,”start”:3549,”duration”:7.7},{“text”:”gmail.com that’s relationship matters TV”,”start”:3552.2,”duration”:6.24},{“text”:”at”,”start”:3556.7,”duration”:5.379},{“text”:”gmail.com this is Dr Janice hooker”,”start”:3558.44,”duration”:5.02},{“text”:”fortman”,”start”:3562.079,”duration”:3.601},{“text”:”coming to you again from relationship”,”start”:3563.46,”duration”:5},{“text”:”matters and I want you to remember”,”start”:3565.68,”duration”:7.52},{“text”:”there are all kinds of”,”start”:3568.46,”duration”:7.54},{“text”:”relationship matters”,”start”:3573.2,”duration”:7.72},{“text”:”and relationships do matter alrighty”,”start”:3576,”duration”:9.359},{“text”:”have a beautifully blessed evening and”,”start”:3580.92,”duration”:8.04},{“text”:”I’m on this other computer so I’m I’m”,”start”:3585.359,”duration”:6.321},{“text”:”doing this”,”start”:3588.96,”duration”:2.72},{“text”:”ah have a beautiful blessed rest of your”,”start”:3592.14,”duration”:4.43},{“text”:”day bye bye”,”start”:3594.599,”duration”:15.98},{“text”:”[Music]”,”start”:3596.57,”duration”:14.009},{“text”:”foreign”,”start”:3614.4,”duration”:3},{“text”:”[Music]”,”start”:3617.74,”duration”:36.83},{“text”:”thank you”,”start”:3661.619,”duration”:2.781}]